michigansooner
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2010 2:57:03 PM
ethanol has been in gasoline for years without are knowledge, how do think gas prices have been able to stay low...a bigger thing is the difference between winter and summer fuel. vehicles start harder and fuel mileage drops an average of 2-4 %...
[Edited by: michigansooner at 7/25/2010 2:59:35 PM EST]
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ga44_com
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2010 4:42:48 PM
This is robbery! It should be MY choice whether to burn alcohol or not...
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Geo4564
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2010 2:50:54 PM
Good summary, FOCI.
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xFOCIx
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2010 4:23:46 AM
In Oregon, it's not "up to 10% anymore". State law requires not less than 9.2% ethanol by volume in practically all road gasoline below octane rating of 91.
91 or higher premium gas is exempt, but I've never seen it available. "Plus gas" is blended on-site with regular and if the blend-stock premium didn't have ethanol, it would push the resultant "plus grade" below legal minimum. Compliant gas stations have no way around this but to add a third tank or discontinue "plus grade".
The actual outcome(and probably the actual intent) is that just about every Oregon fuel stations offer three octane ratings (reg, med, prem) and they ALL contain a minimum of 9.2% v/v ethanol.
HB3497 text:
"Gasoline containing ethanol that is sold or offered for sale meets the requirements of this
section if the gasoline, exclusive of denaturants and permitted contaminants, contains not less than
9.2 percent by volume of agriculturally derived, denatured ethanol that complies with the standards
for ethanol adopted by the State Department of Agriculture."
[Edited by: xFOCIx at 7/21/2010 4:24:32 AM EST]
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PaylessKY
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2010 1:56:07 AM
In my area all gas is E10 by state mandate. In Kentucky they do not have to post that they have ethanol in the gas.
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GasnGo9
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2010 11:09:23 AM
In Canada their is 5 or 10% ethanol in gas
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INAnderson
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2010 4:05:34 PM
I work for an ethanol plant. No all gas does not contain 10% Ethanol, they don't have to blend any as long as they meet their RIN's quota. They can blend it up to 10% currently. They are working to get that upped to 15%, but its still very far away.
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eddie31370
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2010 6:41:18 AM
from what I see in my area all stations are 10%
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RedRider1OK
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2010 9:41:07 PM
Not here. About 50% of all stations sell it.
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apasya
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2010 9:36:19 PM
yes all gas contains 10% ethanol
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2010 11:38:47 AM
sluggopyle: "I don't know where this "Winter E10" idea comes from, but I've never seen it happen, ever. A"
Thansk... I remember in the 1990's that the EPA required that gas sold during the wintertime (IIRC it was Nov 1 to March 30) in the Portland Oregon area to contain 10% Ethanol, the rest of the year Ethanol was not required to be mixed with gas thus stations only sold E10 gas during the winter months. IIRC Oregon now requires all gas to contain 10% Ethanol but I've been told that they now allow in some areas that Premium gas can be sold without Ethanol.
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2010 2:48:03 AM
I haven't used gas with ethanol more than a couple of times in the last three years. Not in winter or any other season.
I don't know where this "Winter E10" idea comes from, but I've never seen it happen, ever. And AFAIK a station can't just up and start dumping E10 into E0 tanks on and off like a light switch. All the stations I know are either E0 or E10, all year 'round.
Cummins- you are correct sir!
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 7/1/2010 2:52:22 AM EST]
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nurdco
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2010 2:40:43 AM
EPA dictates blends state by state and especially in Winter months you have Ethanol EXCEPT for High test octanes over 90
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ninjaguy3
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2010 4:07:11 PM
Over here in portland it shows on all of our stations so far.
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hotdirtbiker16NC
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2010 9:57:17 AM
yes, most of the places in NC do.
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sdhodges
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Message Posted: Jun 20, 2010 12:51:02 PM
No, not all, at least as of yet.
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2010 12:31:34 PM
Here in IA we have a choice to buy gas with or without Ethanol and its the way it should be in all 50 states. It should be the buyer choice to use Ethanol or not use it and we should not be forced to buy it nor should they hide the fact that Ethanol is blend in to the gas your buying.
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WEPSMAN
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Message Posted: Jun 15, 2010 7:17:44 PM
Not all has ethanol here.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2010 7:21:29 PM
In my area about 80%. For sure, I believe that only Exxon does not contain it.
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ans56
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2010 4:02:24 PM
In my area it does
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PaylessKY
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Message Posted: May 25, 2010 3:57:41 AM
It depends on the area and gas station.
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Tundralimited2009
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Message Posted: May 23, 2010 11:54:54 AM
I have not found one that does not have it.
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chemist74
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Message Posted: May 18, 2010 8:59:59 AM
There are still a lot of stations around the country not using ethanol but the number will decrease with time. Washington requires the oil companies to increase the amount of ethanol they use over time.
To do this, some combination of several things must happen.
1. Increase the conversion of regular gas to E10.
2. Increase the number of flex-fuel vehicles on the road.
3. Increase the number E85 pumps.
4. Increase the use of E85 in existing flex-fuel vehicles.
5. Increase the use of fuel with slightly higher (15-20%) ethanol levels.
Increasing the use of E10 is probably the cheapest way of increasing E10 use for all concerned so it will probably be the preferred option with the others following more slowly.
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boatcrazyinme
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Message Posted: May 7, 2010 12:10:31 AM
they all do around here.
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ss70
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2010 7:55:01 AM
I am pretty sure all of MI is covered...
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nurdco
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2010 6:03:39 AM
In Colorado EPA dictates it for regular and midgrade....
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2010 11:16:44 AM
Unfortunately Pgriff, Sleaziana is a state that doesn't require any labels on the pump, so you can't tell. Be sure to thank Baton Rouge for protecting the citizens from the horrors of consumer information.
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pgriff1
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2010 11:25:15 PM
looking at the pricing, regular has ethanol and other grades don't, but that is just looking at the price. We have the sticker "up to 10%"
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Ustman
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2010 3:24:02 PM
Is Ethanol required in the State of Alaska for unleaded fuel?
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pgerassi
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2010 5:50:31 PM
Here in Wisconsin, we have mandatory labeling. The sticker reads "up to 10% ethanol". It means that the gasoline sold could have anywhere from 0% to 10% ethanol. Usually its more in the range of RFG, which has 4% to 7% ethanol. This is not the same as a true 10% ethanol. I just pumped from a station that labeled its gas as E10, E20 and E85 (Renew @ Cedar Grove, WI). Before roughly 3/1 and after 11/1, it says E70. Ther are some stations in Wisconsin that state "No Ethanol" on some or all of their pumps. Their price is usually higher, some times substantially higher.
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2010 4:09:06 PM
No I can buy Regular and Premium without Ethanol.
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PaylessKY
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2010 4:45:47 AM
I my area, Kenton, Campbell, and Boone County all fuel by law has ethanol. Kentucky law states labelling is not required.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:40:51 AM
In my area all Sunocos, Sheetz, BPs, and Libertys have ethanol in them. So that means about 90% plus of the local gas being sold.
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licks64
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2010 2:43:51 PM
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 2:25:26 AM
Or to do it an easier way-- figure by percentage. Over many months of observation I've measured that ethanol (E10) drops my mileage by 15 to 20%. Therefore, the price differential at the pump must exceed that percentage (say, 25% cheaper) to make it worthwhile to buy the E10.
(In practice I've never seen it come anywhere near that difference.)
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pinbuster2005
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 2:21:00 AM
pitbulI - "Get this, I pay more for Premium or MidGrade(With no ethenol) and it lasts longer. That's why I can't stand ethenol."
I hate ethanol as well but you may want to look at the extra cost per gallon and figure it out the mpg. Then you can figure out the cost per mile to see if the extra cost per gallon is truely worth it.
Say Regular gets you 20 mpg @ $2.50/gal the cost per mile would be 12.5 cents
Then if you only got 22 mpg out of super but payed $2.80/gal for it the cost per mile would be 12.72 cents.
So it would be cheaper to run the regular even though the super got you the better mileage.
But if super got you 23 mpg and cost $2.80/gal it would be a cost per mile of 12.17 cents so then yes it would be cheaper to run the higher octane that had no ethanol in it.
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2010 1:37:51 PM
=> no unless it says it does but you should look for the stuff with the ethanol in it <=
Again, wrong on both counts. Fourteen states (counting DC) let stations off the hook by not requiring a label when there's ethanol present, so in these states you'll never know by what the pump says or doesn't say. I already listed these twice in this thread. God forbid we should read down.
E-free stations can be found a lot of places with careful study. I haven't bought any fuel with ethanol in it but about three times in at least the last 30,000 miles over a dozen states. That's why we need to keep abreast of them here. Like I also posted back on November 9...
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PitbulI
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2010 1:09:31 PM
In Manitoba, All regular fuel contains 10% ethenol while midgrade ranges from 0-10%(Usually 5%). Our Premium fuel at most stations is ethenol free.
Get this, I pay more for Premium or MidGrade(With no ethenol) and it lasts longer. That's why I can't stand ethenol.
In some places in North Dakota, you can find some stations without ethenol, I think.
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CORNHICK
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 7:45:47 PM
no unless it says it does but you should look for the stuff with the ethanol in it
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xFOCIx
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 4:26:05 AM
Depends on where you are.
State of Oregon requires 10% ethanol of agricultural origin by the State Department of Agriculture for road gas.
Non-public roadway engines are exempt from this mandate, but such fuel is not available readily.
Recently premium road-gas was added to the exemption, but again, hard to find, because mid-grade is made by blending regular and premium and to hold the required 10% ethanol in mid-grade, premium must have 10% ethanol, or mid-grade must have its separate tank.
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aragorn1
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2010 5:31:07 AM
It's the law in Ontario, all ethanol
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feldagast
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2010 2:55:31 PM
I think most marinas dont have ethanol in their fuel.
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DrLyon
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2010 10:46:50 AM
Most stations in Michigan use ethanol.
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rubesc
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2010 8:08:06 PM
IN THE ARE I LIVE ALL THE STATIONS HAVE IT.
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taxguy
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2010 7:26:27 PM
Most stations I trade with have the sign posted.
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PaylessKY
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2010 4:32:28 AM
In the area where I live, yes.
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hockey#14
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2010 2:27:11 PM
no, we have stations in northern vermont with no ethanol and they have a sign out front saying ethanol free gas
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2010 10:47:34 AM
=> Not all states require signs to be posted as long as the ethanol content is not more than 10%. NC is one such state. <=
I will never understand why people just make things up.
There IS NO "more than 10% ethanol" fuel on the mass market... yet, except the intentional E85 "flex" fuels and that's a whole different animal. The 36 states that do require labels on standard fuels require it for any significant ethanol content, usually ONE percent or more, not ten. Ten is the MAXIMUM they now can sneak in there, with or without a label, NOT a minimum.
Once again, here's a list of state laws. Here's another with more detail although it dates from 2007.
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 2/5/2010 10:51:08 AM EST]
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2010 8:46:15 AM
Not all states require signs to be posted as long as the ethanol content is not more than 10%. NC is one such state.
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Tundralimited2009
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2010 8:56:09 AM
What is E85??????
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