feldagast
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2011 2:31:19 AM
I dont recall seeing any E0 gas available in my area at any of the 30+ stations I have gone past.
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JediKnight
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2011 8:44:38 PM
chemist74,
But this may provide a boost to stations already with (or considering) an E85 Pump or Blender Pumps.
They'll have the Tank(s) and dispensers and will be able to sell more of E85 or E-blends because Non-FFVs will be able to purchase E15 if they want it and maybe some FFVs will consider stopping at the E85 (or E-Blend) providing stations with it's more options/prices in product.
There is some talk of the low demand for Premium (High Octane) Gasoline... Some stations might decide to offer E15 instead of Premium to provide a more consistent revenue stream.
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chemist74
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2011 10:50:52 AM
Since a lot of vehicles/equipment are not "approved" to use E-15, I would not expect a lot of stations to add E15 to the fuels they offer until the government or the oil companies apply a lot of pressure on them. The stations would most likely either need to add additional storage tanks and pumps (expensive) or convert one of their existing tanks (and drop one of their more popular current fuel products). This, along with low demand, is a reason that many stations do not offer E85.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2011 7:52:51 AM
"Ethanol has caused several issues with my yard equipment."
No so with my yard equipment, including 2-strokes for over 13 years.
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JediKnight
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2011 9:44:12 PM
FMREALTOR,
Is the yard equipment you have problems with use a 2-cycle Gas/Oil Mix? (Say 50:1,32:1, or something)
Does the fuel/oil mix tend to sit for long periods of time? (In the Gas Can and/or Fuel Tank?)
I might recommend if you aren't already doing this to consider using a Fuel Stabilizer like STA-BIL (Also, some newer 2-cycle oils are "universal" and include a Fuel Stablizer... so it cuts down on figuring out the correct ratio and worry about using up the Oil in a short period of time before the fuel goes stale.)
You might also check your spark plug(s) and see if you are burning rich/lean... then adjust the blend. You might also consider changing the type of 2-cycle Oil and see if that helps any.
There are plenty of 1 gallon 2-cycle Oil mix bottles that are rather inexpensive... try a few different brands and see if any provide better performance.
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FMREALTOR
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2011 6:18:29 AM
Ethanol has caused several issues with my yard equipment. Two stroke engines just don't like ethanol. I've also noticed that I have no other choices id my local supplies to get non ethanol fuel.
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JediKnight
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2011 12:08:47 PM
chelaramie,
Read up on last fall and Friday's EPA waiver on E15. Small Engines, Outboards, and other non-automobiles are still suppose to use E0/E10 blends.
As of Friday 1/21/2011 the EPA's waiver basically allows Gas Stations to sell E15 for Automobiles Model Year 2001-Present. It's not forcing ANYONE to buy E15... it's just allowing Stations to offer it customers for use in specific engines. Your outboard, 2-cycle, and other not 2001-Present Automobile engine is suppose to continue using the locally sold E0/E10 blends that you're already using.
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chelaramie
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2011 10:07:29 AM
The engines are not designed to use the hotter burn ing ethanol and will end up blowing the motors. Seems like that will cost outboard motors owners to spend more money to buy a new motor.
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JediKnight
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2010 5:05:52 PM
I don't see how allowing E15 will cost outboard owners a lot of money.
E10 (and E0 in some markets) will still be available for vehicles and small engines that aren't rated for E15. At the moment E15 is allowed for use in Vehicles 2007-Present. (With 2001-2006 possibly being added in Dec?) Other older vehicles and small engines aren't covered.
So you are NOT being forced to use it...
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JediKnight
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2010 4:54:19 PM
I don't see how allowing E15 will cost outboard owners a lot of money.
E10 (and E0 in some markets) will still be available for vehicles and small engines that aren't rated for E15. At the moment E15 is allowed for use in Vehicles 2007-Present. (With 2001-2006 possibly being added in Dec?) Other older vehicles and small engines aren't covered.
So you are being forced to use it...
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Jing2010
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2010 10:44:47 AM
I'm agree with that
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2010 1:27:44 PM
"Well, actually, ethanol is hydrophilic substance and tends to absorb water, which gasoline does not. Enough water absorbed into a gasoline/alcohol blend will cause the ethanol and water to separate from the gasoline."
Actually this is a misleading statement. A much smaller amount of water in gasoline will automatically phase seperate.
I had an open mason jar with e10 in it. It sat for two years in a very humid environment. No phase seperation. Eventually the gas evaporated.
The higher the ethanol blend, the less likely the phase seperation.
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E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2010 7:06:29 PM
pgerassi recounts:
"Ethanol removes water out of the crankcase, gasoline doesn't."
Well, actually, ethanol is hydrophilic substance and tends to absorb water, which gasoline does not. Enough water absorbed into a gasoline/alcohol blend will cause the ethanol and water to separate from the gasoline.
Any dissolved water in the gasoline/alcohol blend will be drawn into the crankcase of a two-stroke engine. To guard against corrosion, you must keep stored fuel away from moisture and water vapor.
(Definition of hydrophilic)
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pgerassi
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2010 6:01:50 PM
Funny how my uncle uses E85 in his two cycle chainsaws without trouble. All it requires is a jet change due to the richer mix needed. Ethanol removes water out of the crankcase, gasoline doesn't.
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2010 4:19:43 PM
I see goldies back, must of finally receive another check from the Ethanol Industry to get back online to spread more propaganda for the ethanol industry.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2010 12:41:11 PM
"Most of the ethanol enthusiasts haven't tried blended fuel in 2 stroke engines."
That is a false statement for sure. I have been using e-blends in 2-stroke engines for over 10 years. It works just fine.
This topic is premature at best. There is no e15 being offered anywhere in America. There are about 100 blender pumps, and it is not likely that any of them are at a marina.
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Maintroll
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2010 9:23:30 AM
My fuel milage has dropped considerably due to ethanol and I know positively that I won't like any further elevation of the content of ethanol in the current gas that is being dispensed.
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E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2010 2:17:55 AM
Most of the ethanol enthusiasts haven't tried blended fuel in 2 stroke engines. Unlike most car engines, 2 strokes pull the air/fuel/lubricant mixture into the crankcase, where any entrapped water can rust and corrode parts never intended to be exposed to moisture.
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WEPSMAN
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2010 11:08:15 AM
If the fuel industry continues to push ethanol, the marine industry is going to have to adjust. As far as 2-stroke motors, I do not know wha tto tell you.
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 4:50:13 PM
The EPA has stated E15 is not to be used in small engines do to durability concerns. But the small engine repair shops will enjoy all of the new business for those who don't listen or fall for the Ethanol lobby BS that its okay to use even though the EPA is telling them not to use it in small engines...
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ethanolno
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2010 4:39:22 PM
Not only correct, but anything over 10% ethanol WILL void almost all outboard warranties!
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